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AD&D2nd
Aug 16, 2010 21:25:35 GMT -5
Post by darkalloy on Aug 16, 2010 21:25:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't like that either. Infact the only thing i do like from is the healing surges. There seems to be no customization in 4th.
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AD&D2nd
Aug 17, 2010 11:59:25 GMT -5
Post by nydhog on Aug 17, 2010 11:59:25 GMT -5
Pathfinder is pretty damned amazing. If everyone had the books, the campaign I'm currently working on would be PF instead of 3.5. AD&D2 is more for traditional games and a lot less rules heavy outside of combat. Some people will argue this, but I find this to be true as can be. Hell, you can eliminate spot/search/listen and say "This character would see/hear this based on what they are and do" and things of that nature. Plus, a LOT easier to level things up paperwork wise.
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AD&D2nd
Aug 17, 2010 13:09:15 GMT -5
Post by madelaine on Aug 17, 2010 13:09:15 GMT -5
Pathfinder is pretty damned amazing. If everyone had the books, the campaign I'm currently working on would be PF instead of 3.5. AD&D2 is more for traditional games and a lot less rules heavy outside of combat. Some people will argue this, but I find this to be true as can be. Hell, you can eliminate spot/search/listen and say "This character would see/hear this based on what they are and do" and things of that nature. Plus, a LOT easier to level things up paperwork wise. As a DM you always have that choice to do. If you let roll every single action instead of using common sense then its the DMs fault when the game becomes a dice-roll-orgy and the fluidity of roleplay is constantly disrupted. That is my opinion. Anyway.. If anyone needs the Pathfinder rulebook to take a look then let me know please. Madelaine
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AD&D2nd
Aug 17, 2010 20:07:34 GMT -5
Post by nydhog on Aug 17, 2010 20:07:34 GMT -5
In 3.5 though because of all the skills, players get antsy as hell when they can't roll all the damn time for their spot EVEN IF I SAID THEY SEE IT lol. I kid you not: I used to award 10xp for each skill used (one time per game) as long as it wasnt "I search the tree branch for treasure" kind of nonsense. I straight up TOLD a player "You see a..." "DON'T I GET A SPOT CHECK?!" "Dude you see it" "I want to roll!". I hate that crap. Play to RP. And to have fun. NOT to try and level up as fast as you can. You cannot BEAT D&D lol. And ultimately, with many of the tabletoppers in person around here, it IS a "Check out mah l3wtz" and a cock-size competition over "my toon would stomp yours". Besides, try and beat the campaign enough and agitate me enough.... I'll just bust out the tarrasque. With no wish in sight.
Oh and also, I quit a campaign at one point due to my level 3 FS killing a Great Red Dragon. Solo. He did some menial task and his award was a +6 vorpal sword of Flaming burst or some nonsense. And I already had a +4 shield and +4 FP.... In less then one run... Needless to say I told my friend "If this is how this campaign is gonna go, I'm done. I know you want us to fight armies but that's what henchman are for."
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AD&D2nd
Aug 17, 2010 20:25:47 GMT -5
Post by darkalloy on Aug 17, 2010 20:25:47 GMT -5
You know you could just use a razor boar, they have vorpal tusks and massive fast healing.
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AD&D2nd
Aug 17, 2010 20:31:03 GMT -5
Post by rogueserpent on Aug 17, 2010 20:31:03 GMT -5
I would play 4th, 3.5 but going to 2 seems kind of pointless... We have FG's set up for 3.5 or 4 why go back to an ancient system. 4th edition runs so good on FG grounds I dont know why its not used more....
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AD&D2nd
Aug 17, 2010 20:31:38 GMT -5
Post by rogueserpent on Aug 17, 2010 20:31:38 GMT -5
That being said I wouldnt not play if everyone else was.
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AD&D2nd
Aug 17, 2010 21:46:06 GMT -5
Post by darkalloy on Aug 17, 2010 21:46:06 GMT -5
Yeah I would suck up my hate for fourth if everyone wanted to play that... Anyway I'm gonna pick qup some pathfinder books, just in case besides it would be my third RPG system that sists there if I never found a game for it.
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AD&D2nd
Aug 17, 2010 21:59:46 GMT -5
Post by rogueserpent on Aug 17, 2010 21:59:46 GMT -5
Why do you hate fourth?
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AD&D2nd
Aug 17, 2010 22:19:33 GMT -5
Post by madelaine on Aug 17, 2010 22:19:33 GMT -5
Playing 4th Edition feels to me like playing marvel superheroes. I have a lvl 1 rogue in one group and did about 40 damage (with a simple non magic short sword) in one round the last time. It was like oh my goodness. To each their own though of course. In the end I do not care which system I roleplay in/with as it does not matter much but D&D 4th edition feels not so well to me compared to Pathfinder or 3.5.
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AD&D2nd
Aug 17, 2010 22:27:45 GMT -5
Post by rogueserpent on Aug 17, 2010 22:27:45 GMT -5
Me either and I dont know anything about PF but what you mentioned earlier.
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AD&D2nd
Aug 17, 2010 23:18:00 GMT -5
Post by darkalloy on Aug 17, 2010 23:18:00 GMT -5
oh fourth for me kinda takes away form the reason I love 3.5, customization. I love how you can have a rogue who can disable and pick anything, but couldn't sneak to save his life, or like a barb who can run and jump like no other but comes off like a kitten when it tries to intimidate anything. The greatest flaw in that department was lumping skills together. Like if you can climb and tumble you can jump. Well what if I want to be able to jump 40 feet high but can't climb a ladder?
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AD&D2nd
Aug 18, 2010 1:18:12 GMT -5
Post by nydhog on Aug 18, 2010 1:18:12 GMT -5
PF is 3.75 for all points and purposes. It's 3.5 with a LOT of fixing to rules. My biggest loved change is the way Turn Undead works now. It's a die amount instead of a convoluted pain in the ass table. PLUS it can be used to heal instead in a 60ft burst or to turn. OR, if you're evil: Your rebuke heals your undead or can damage players.
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AD&D2nd
Aug 18, 2010 8:18:27 GMT -5
Post by Andre on Aug 18, 2010 8:18:27 GMT -5
There's a huge debate raging between the 4th edition and 3rd edition fans but yeah I personally prefer 3rd ed because 4th ed seems to me more video-gamish than anything else (automatically recovering hit points without a cleric healing you? Seems a bit "strange" from a "real world point of view" perspective).. that said I'm fine with any game system long as you have a good DM and group of players and there's opportunity for role play
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AD&D2nd
Aug 18, 2010 11:19:08 GMT -5
Post by nydhog on Aug 18, 2010 11:19:08 GMT -5
4th ed focuses way to heavily on the combat. It's a hack-n-slash dungeon crawler. Even the campaign settings have been heavily altered. You'd be hard pressed to find one where there isn't a war going on for the PC's to be in or even one without a crazy tyrant. I mean shit, the Realms are changed drastically. They destroyed Neverwinter with (i shit you not) what is described as "A magical nuclear bomb".
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