Intelligent vermin - vermin traits or not ?

[Andre]

So after checking this thread out

www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-discussion/76952-celestial-vermin-int-3-not.html

Not sure if celestial vermin (such as a celestial fire-beetle or celestial bee, both of which are creatures Serinda or some other person using the summon monster spell might summon - slim chance but you never know ) lose their vermin traits or not.. I'm guessing they would lose the vermin mindless so immune to phantasms charms and so forth type stuff since they gain an Intelligence score of at least 3. Anyone else have any thoughts ?

[solardawn]

They should loose their mindless trait, any vermin that's got the celestial creature template stops being a vermin, and becomes a magical beast, since magical beasts are not immune to mind effects neither is a celestial vermin.

It kinda makes sense since any celestial being has at least a greater intelligence then an ape (int 3, Max any animal can have is 2)