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Post by darkalloy on Feb 4, 2011 20:10:23 GMT -5
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Post by solardawn on Feb 5, 2011 3:06:33 GMT -5
I guess I never realized how close things were to collapsing, I was still having fun.
It's a shame, because it wasn't just something to do on tuesday but throughout the week too.
Guess i'll just try to save most things that involved Serinda, becaus eit's a shame to let that go to waste and then try and find something else to do.
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Post by darkalloy on Feb 5, 2011 3:51:18 GMT -5
Well I'm gonna give it a week or two before I move/delete area's of the forums. I just hope we can keep playing together despite all this.... I'm not quite sure what the word for it is. Needless to say while I was prepared for players to come and go as it is natural in any game. This well I never expected it, the DM is the one thing you usually consider a solid piece. Anyway hopefully we can keep going with the drow game and the Star wars game, and possibly even get Cas's game running here soon.... Not sure how much work Cas has left on it so that's the only deciding factor. My little Pbp is getting a partial-semi-pseudo-kinda rewrite for the encounters, as well as the fact that if Flak doesn't come back I have to get at least two more players in it. Also we may need to put up on the FG depending on what goes on in the next week or so that we need an extra player. For now though I say since we have not gotten our fill of RPing our DL PC's we just go nuts with. RP them into the ground, get Za'era to bring them back then do it again. How does that sound?
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Post by solardawn on Feb 5, 2011 8:40:58 GMT -5
I do enjoy playing with you all a lot, and I hope we can continue doing so, but I dont have any interest in carrying on without the GM, free form isnt my thing, sorry.
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Post by madelaine on Feb 5, 2011 9:26:04 GMT -5
Give it some time. Andre is super frustrated and I totally understand this.
Lets give him a few weeks to calm down and maybe we have luck and we will go on. I know Valaun would like to join in and I think we can easily go on with four players and maybe find a fifth. But lets see how Andre will decide.
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Post by aldhurin on Feb 5, 2011 11:46:30 GMT -5
man, I did not see this coming at all....but being new and all may be the reason for that. I had a great especially last week. I really started seeing the story and get Elvryne to develop as a character...Bummer  If we can piece it together again I may be able to join the DL campaign. |
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Post by Andre on Feb 5, 2011 13:58:40 GMT -5
............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. Well this sucks. At the risk of sounding horribly arrogant I take it as a compliment that darkalloy was bummed out enough about this to start crying .... and as far as his comment here " For now though I say since we have not gotten our fill of RPing our DL PC's we just go nuts with. RP them into the ground, get Za'era to bring them back then do it again. How does that sound? " Biggest compliment you can give a DM ... obviously the PC's are your creation so it's not like I can take credit for them or anything ... but just the fact that you've grown so attached to the PC's that you would declare that in the first place.. if you were having that much fun with them it makes me feel like the time I put in as a DM was totally worth it, put it that way  ... Having said that... I honestly, truly cannot continue running the dragonlance campaign and for that I apologize  ... I started the campaign too soon , I realize that now... my munchkins are still small enough to need me now in a way they probably won't years from now... I completely agree with darkalloy as far as the " I hope we can still keep playing together despite all of this " bit whether or not I'm a part of the group... the players that are left ... basically everyone who posted on this thread here (plus Valaun / Mel too ) are good folks and I think you'd have a lot of fun RP'ing together , you're a good group Far as I'm concerned.. and I've already communicated this to Madelaine (just now that is ) .. if casdegere's in, I'm out.. sorry I know that sounds unreasonable but the man just irritates me to the point where I simply cannot stomach his presence anymore, for reasons I'd made pretty clear in my posts on the forum here. This really IS the last time I'm going to check the forums - if we have a cadegere-free environment and if people want me in the group as a player (can't DM though sorry ) I'd be more than happy to jump back in (if this turns out to be the case I'm sure Madelaine will let me know by e-mailing me directly at my gmail address ) ..... Darkalloy strange as this sounds keep the dragonlance forum up a while longer I plan on copying and pasting a lot of it into my own personal notes before you delete it .. it seems unlikely I know but years from now when the munchkins are older if you all have the time and or willing or even if just some of you are it's more than possibly I may continue the dragonlance game again where we left off ... Odd as this sounds given my intense dislike of the man.. as a DM I can genuinely say he was the bane of my existence ... if Casdegere jumps back in as a DM here I can't help but wonder if that would be the best case scenario for the rest of you.. don't get me wrong, again if he's in I'm out ... having said that if you look at what's best for the group in general... just because someone's a (in my opinion) awful player doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be a bad DM... that would keep the group as a whole going, casdegere DM'ing one week, myself the other week ... However given the thread he posted here www.fantasygrounds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14106and here ogldungeonadventure.proboards.com/index.cgi(oh look a forum board just like my own how quaint .. ) I get the impression he's pretty much done with this group and has already sent invites out to those in the group he wants in his own campaign... Madelaine got an invite , and Flak is already an active member of casdegere's campaign if you check the second link above.. come in , ruin an RPG group then cherry pick the players from it you want so you can start up a new group ... go figure  ... |
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Post by Andre on Feb 5, 2011 19:22:34 GMT -5
Ok on second thought ... it does sound pretty stupid to say " I'm in if so and so is out " ... mind you casdegere is really not my favorite person right now but... for what it's worth if people will have me as a player I'm willing to be in the drow game even if casdegere is as well (no idea where his mindset is right now though - as mentioned above he's started his own proboards forum but he's still checking this forum every day according to the member stats on here.. strange... )
I'd rather pass on being a player in any campaign he runs however (or to put it another way I have no problem being a bi-weekly player - once every two weeks - the same way other players have been in the past if it comes down to that ) ...
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Post by darkalloy on Feb 5, 2011 22:41:22 GMT -5
I reiterate my above statement the sucks one. While I was hoping to at least play in Cas's game, the fact that I did not get any indication that it was moving to a different board kinda sealed the fate of any invite I get to it after this post to a big fat humongous titanic, "You're crazy if you think I'm joining now!". So I have a bit of steam to blow off, please forgive my imminent rant, and my UMD check to emulate the text wall feat. You don't have to read it at all this is mostly just to make me feel a little less ..... Grrr!
Madelaine has already heard about my being too nice to call out Cas on some of the stuff he was doing. Now this it true I hate saying anything mean about anyone and I always feel like an ass for a while after if I do, after this I'm gonna feel like a colossal one and will probably write an apology to him but force myself not to send it.
So yes Cas was very much picking on Rin and Riz. The thread before Riz and Caz stepped through the portal is a prime example. Cas was meta-gaming, how do I know well we had a PM discussion about Riz and what Cas the player knew. Now in the middle of their little chat Cas sent a PM to me, now while I cant quote as I get rid of my pm's on a weekly basis unless I think I need them I can tell you that it was to the effect of "Why don't you spill the beans so we can move on." Again no proof, so believe it or don't it matters not as this is just a vent so I can feel a bit less..... Grrr! I was debating on getting Riz killed after that just to stop stuff like that from happening as no one else really seemed to push him all that far about any of it. Lets face it Riz has never actually lied once, not once, he has omitted certain truths though.
Now for Rin... I'm not quite sure where to start here but lets start with the basics. Anyone notice that if Rin manages to steal Azcot's thunder per se there is a post soon after? Like when he told Azcot to sit on his hands after he squeezed Sunstar. I think Casa basically thought no one could do anything to Azcot so he was safe from retribution. The next game Azcot has bought Mage Slayer, I chuckled and as him if that was because of Rin and he said yes at the time I just took it as a joke but it wasn't long till I gathered that yeah he just didn't want Rin to be able to do that again. Now I had no idea what was going on behind the scenes with the hold person persistent spell thing, if I had I would not have posted that feats thread. I thought I was being helpful to everyone by listing them saved Andre and anybody else from having looking them up and maybe determine how they would work. I seriously didn't expect it to go that way and I can't apologize enough for that to everyone involved. I felt really guilty after that. Then there was the whole Conversation skills thing, Cas had said once before I need to use them more often. So in the last game I did, not to know it would provoke a rules thread on them. I will also admit that yes he did say on multiple occasions that Rin was basically useless in the front lines or all round. Rin's current support at the time was just his songs, grease, and blur, and Cas wanted him to be more supportive. I made Rin to fill in what gaps he could and he has always been that way, however every game session something to the effect of Rin is useless or he needs to move to the back would pop up. I was actually getting frustrated to the point of taking worthless skills/feats. I was going to take poison immunity Frenzywater after I got the RP too, so Rin could challenge Eolear, Azcot and Sangrias to a drinking contest and when the passed out from the potency strip them and lie them in a spooning position for a really awkward morning in camp. That would basically be the only and single use for that feat. However near the end here I was actually more leaning towards scrapping him as he seemed to be a source of conflict that I really could not see to the why of. I already had a PC wrote up if that became the case, one that while would not be as fun to RP would introduce and entirely new set of rules, rules that others may have had to learn. I do like getting people to learn/try new things.... Hmmm... maybe i really am cut out to be a teacher. However I don't force them to in most cases, that PC would be a force to but in a more or less you way want to but don't have to way.
Anyway my rant is about done, I was prepared to continue on with Cas in any of the games, now I'm not so sure I can for long. I do however want to continue and will muscle through anything unless it gets to the point of I can't take it. Which should be quite awhile from now if Cas stays in the games because I have vented and now feel better and extremely guilty. Anyway y'all know how a hold of me if you want to talk to me privately as I kinda sorta live on the forums at this point in time.... It's sad isn't it? I am also keeping Skype up and running as well if you prefer that method. Anyway see y'all..... Ummm.... Well ok see y'all on the forums.
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Post by Andre on Feb 6, 2011 6:47:53 GMT -5
I had a feeling darkalloy was too nice to let on how much Cas was bothering him .... dude you have NOTHING to feel guilty about, as a DM in the dragonlance campaign, from my vantage point it seemed obvious just how much Cas was harassing you... though it is admirable as all hell just how understanding and compassionate you are... dude you are a million times more mature than Cas hands down ... at the risk of pulling a Cas and telling you what to do ... don't you dare send him an apology he is so not worth it ... In this thread : whatifdragonlancedm.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rulesdiscussion&action=display&thread=569Cas indignantly maintains that he is not overly controlling... Ok, I will not post my opinion on anything anymore. You are taking my opinion on a subject and suggesting that I somehow have control to manipulate you or anyone just because I have an opinion. I pointed out the rules and how I thought that the way the skills are being used is overbearing according to the rules, if you choose to ignore them fine. You seem to take everything personally and then in the same breath tell everyone else to act adult. C'mon. I am not being controlling, I have no control over what you or others do and I am getting tired of you castigating me like this for having an opinion. You don't like it, kick me out but my concern is valid, especially after how everyone beat up on Madelaine over how she wanted her spell to work which was not exactly as the rules were. You have taken one sentence from what I wrote and used to to defend yourself against your decision for ignoring the proper, FAIR application of those skills. I just assumed everyone would know why Cas's claim is nothing more than a load of horse poo.... but then it occurred to me.. again , from the DM's viewpoint I see things other players may not ... to summarize : - there was the one FG game session where Azcot (Cas's character in the dragonlance game) used his gigantic bulk to block a corridor , flat out refusing to let other PC's get by him while he handled the combat "his" way... I found myself a bit uneasy about one PC refusing to let other PC's get involved in a fight but wrote it off as Azcot just trying to RP his character and I believed him at the time when he said he didn't want his "fellow" draconians being killed off. - casdegere (as a player, in real life) then posts something about how Rin (darkalloy's dragonlance character, the bard) should "stay in the background and let the fighters handle the combat" and added that he was sure darkalloy/Rin would eventually get the idea... first instance of telling darkalloy how to run his character... darkalloy was NOT happy about this but did not say so on the forums again due to darkalloy being so nice (see his post above ) ... he also mentions in a skype conversation he feels bards should, quote " be more supportive of the group" when chatting with darkalloy .. again, telling darkalloy what to do. - casdegere the player gets upset when Rin uses a Suggestion spell to tells Azcot to sit on his hands (after Azcot has squeezed Rin's lover sunstar into unconsciousness.. non lethal damage mind you which was great but still, if Azcot acts against an NPC close to Rin in that fashion I don't see why rin shouldn't retaliate in a non-lethal damage fashion)... Azcot then sends me whispers on FG telling me that he would like me to start "making" spellcasters declare ahead of time that they are going to make a concentration check and tells me that I'm being too easy on the spellcasters ... he then starts up a thread basically complaining about spellcasting... it was at this point that I saw the whole " I'm going to pout if things don't go my way" tendency casdegere was displaying.. given all the work I was putting into the dragonlance campaign and given that I already have two munchkins of my own who were also keeping me busy and don't have time to babysit pouty players it was then that i lost it and let him know in no uncertain terms how I felt on that thread (I'm not as nice as darkalloy ) whatifdragonlancedm.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=feedback&action=display&thread=442&page=2- casdegere says he's going to "tone it down" on the thread mentioned above... I have said I am willing to try and tone it down That said I can take a shilacking when I know I deserve it and this is a case where I feel I really do. It helps me know I am being an overbearing ass ..... he then proceeds to harass Madelaline with whispers and PM's about how she runs her Drow game to the point where Madelaine ends up posting this (again Madelaine is too nice to say exactly who she's talking about but it's pretty obvious who it is... especially given Madelaine didn't feel the need to post anything like this until casdegere joined the group ) whatifdragonlancedm.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fungi&action=display&thread=543No.. It was fine Andre. It has been someone else who did this much more than you but mostly in whispers either to me or to other players. I wont call names but that person should maybe think about this for a moment. Pointing out rules is fine. Trying to enforce them either by direct intervention or by passive aggression is not fine. I will keep my eyes open on this and if it keeps continuing then I will talk to the person in private. Thank you for your open words and your thinking about the possibility Andre. - casdegere (correctly) comes to the conclusion that Madelaline is referring to him and accuses Madelaine in a PM sent to me of harboring a grudge over an earlier Azcot-Za'era confrontation in-character (Dragonlance game)... although Madelaine was rather upset with casdegere (and to be fair other players too I think not just casdegere and myself - though let's not open this particular can of worms again I can see why she was upset), Madelaine showed just how mature she is by jumping right back on the horse afterwards so to speak.. after a few days break from the forum she was right back on there posting away and she continued to run her Drow game as a DM .. she did not leave the campaign entirely in a huff like casdegere did when he abruptly realized things weren't going to go his way no matter how much he complained about it. - rin has pointed out that in a Drow game it's quite possible Drow PC's will kill off other drow PC's.. given his Drow PC was the one being threatened with murder I thought this was rather noble of darkalloy ... still, given casdegere's pattern of behavior and the fact that he seems to target darkalloy I found casdegere's character, Cas's, death threat towards rizdyn, darkalloy's character, to be a little bit suspicious here : whatifdragonlancedm.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=palace&action=display&thread=461&page=4(I did not realize Valaun had already gone. Reading back I see that he has and so now I will go as well pfft!) Now that the last person besides himself and Rizdyn have gone through, Caz nods in acceptance. Turning toward the Mage Caz drew out his Sword and flourishes it around as he paced back and forth near him. Removing a small cloth from his pocket he wipes the blood he can see from the portal frame being careful not to touch the shimmering light. "Now that it is just you and I, I guess it is time that we speak Rizdyn." He stops between Rizdyn and the portal. He points the blade outward toward him and his eyes look as if he is not very pleased with him. "You have been holding out on us, on me. I give you this one chance to tell me what you know I wish to hear or I shall use your blood myself to pass through the portal." And telling Rizdyn to "just spill it so we can all move on" in a personal PM sent to darkalloy (see darkalloy's post above) ? Again an overly controlling player trying to tell others.... darkalloy yet again in this case.. what to do with their characters. - and finally when casdegere decided he didn't like the fact that Rin had such a high diplomacy/bluff score casdegere decided to try to tell me.. yet again.. how to run my dragonlance campaign here , complaining about the use of diplomacy and bluff in-game whatifdragonlancedm.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rulesdiscussion&action=display&thread=569Then got angry when I called him on his controlling behavior yet again, to the point where he left the dragonlance campaign. Apparently I'm not the only one who feels like casdegere is focusing a bit too heavily on rules here (although I will add my personal observation that he focuses heavily on the rules as long as it favors his character) whatifdragonlancedm.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rulesdiscussion&action=display&thread=569&page=2man, this is really sad. Without wanting to judge anybody the game is called Role Playing not Rules Playing game. With that being sad I thought we are here to play a character and have fun with it. I think this group was comprised of great people and I thought overall people were enjoying themselves. If this is it and I hope we can steer this tanker around before it hits the ice this is sad because it was fun to play with you guys. Aldhurin I hope it seems obvious to everyone at this point as it does to me... basically the man is a control freak. To me this indicates personal immaturity on his part.. I'm going to be upset if everything doesn't go my way? I could see a small third grade (okay I'll be generous even fourth grade) boy behaving that way but a grown adult? In life not everything is going to go your way, something I figured he would be aware of by now given that he has a 16 year old daughter. Also casdegere has apparently been spreading rumors that I was the reason original players left.. there are indeed threads on this forum where I get into it,so to speak, with nydhog (who runs Eolaer in the dragonlance game) and Reika (a former PC human female wizard who's player has since left the campaign)... However to clarify further : - Reika's player posted something (can't remember if the thread is still up here or not.. don't think it is but players such as darkalloy remember it ) to the effect that the poor player checked himself into a mental institution for a nervous breakdown and the player went on to say she'd been kicked out of her house (Madelaine remained in contact with said player and can verify this).. this player certainly did not leave the game in a huff but rather was forced to leave the game due to real life stuff... she was a fantastic RP'er (though don't get me wrong the rest of you are great RP'ers too ) and is sorely missed.. I hope she's doing better now (in real life) wherever she is. See also what she had to say in this thread : whatifdragonlancedm.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=feedback&action=display&thread=105Its easy to accidentally get spoiled and used to this type of treatment, but the truth is as a DM, I know just how much work Andre is putting into this game. So this is a shoutout to our extremely dedicated DM who is taking quite the amount of time and effort to not only prepare the normal sessions (which can for some DM's take multiple days of thought and research), but also to take the time to manage all the forum stuff while getting back to us ASAP. - rogueserpent, who ran Nine the wild elf, vanished ... but I had no arguments whatsoever with him and he didn't indicate any displeasure with me during the game.. he dropped several hints that he was getting very busy with the landscaping business he was working in and as I'm sure all of you noted an RP heavy game like this keeps you very busy on the forums, demanding a lot of "real life" commitment to the game... my suspicion is that he simply was unable to keep up with that given how busy he was with work... if he indicated any displeasure with the campaign to any of you privately feel free to sound off here but he certainly did not voice any such concerns to me. Given that he left (as did Reika and Adam/malkav 565, see below) before casdegere joined the group I find it interesting that casdegere feels he's in a position to render conclusions about events taking place that he really has no knowledge of (how could he? He wasn't part of the group at that point and had no way of observing what was going on ) - malkav565 who ran Adam the half devil monk in the dragonlance game.. malkav565 is a close personal friend of mine whom I've gamed with "real life" for several years now , tabletop games.. malkav let me know that he thought I was a "great DM" (his words).. but he thought the RP'ing on the forums was just getting too intense, too dramatic for him... he also mentioned it was nothing personal against the players btw ... believe me, he and I know each other well enough such that if he had a problem with my DM'ing style he'd tell me to my face. Also I mentioned "getting into it " (having an argument) with nydhog on other threads.. nydhog has been a REALLY good sport about it , something I really respect about him.... for example his post here (note also nydhog's concern about Cas's.. what should we call it... PREOCCUPATION with the rules here) ... whatifdragonlancedm.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rulesdiscussion&action=display&thread=519&page=3Okay look.... as a dm i understand the pain in the ass of running and knowing every feat ever. I think Andre given the situation does one hell of a job. However, Cas: you put way to much stock into going by-the-book with the rules. I am a firm believer in story-trumps-rules. If it makes for an awesome RP moment or a cool plot hook, rules be dammed. Is the stuff that za'era can do powerful? Yes. Is it a bend of the rules? Yes. BUT she doesn't abuse it. You really do seem to focus to much on rules and not enough on the overall RP'ing. Let the rules go a little. Everyone just RELAX, have fun, Rp, kill some shit, and let andre do his daunting job. Once again andre, you're doing great. |
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Post by Andre on Feb 6, 2011 7:01:36 GMT -5
Hmm another thought.. rather than putting it out there on the forums where it can be debated casdegere is now sending personal PM's to people ? .... could be wrong... but on the other hand one player pointed out he's trying to advise people the "original, founding" so to speak players left due to my DM'ing style.. see my post above) (shakes head).. tsk tsk casdegere, sneaking around behind my back... afraid to say it to my face? ... Also FYI for what it's worth I did say something.. sort of .. nice about him on FG .... www.fantasygrounds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14106" Again though I do have to point this out.. while this is probably the LAST person you want in your campaign as a player (as I found out the hard way)... it's quite possible he's a great DM ! When he's not doing the control freak thing his RP'ing is superb and he shows that he's quite a skilled writer, very descriptive and evocative text ... it's a shame really, he could be a GREAT player if he would just realize everything's not going to go his own way all the time in RPG's ... Having said that... being a control freak as a player does not necessarily translate to being a bad DM ... Since he'd be the one " in charge" so to speak as the DM that basically solves that problem ... you can probably expect him to stick RELIGIOUSLY to the rules (rules lawyer style) but again when you're not a player trying to tilt things in your character's favor but rather a DM enforcing those rules without a vested interest in your character coming out "top dog" .. whole different ballgame. " |
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Post by Andre on Feb 6, 2011 7:29:09 GMT -5
and again.. sorry to repeat myself here.. despite my last posts ... like darkalloy I can still tolerate casdegere's presence as a player in the drow campaign... Madelaine it's up to you of course when you want to start running the Drow game again but without telling you what to do with your campaign (and if it comes across as such my apologies).. perhaps you should go ahead and run the Drow game this coming Tuesday (Feb 8th) as planned and just make it a bi-weekly game ? (once every two Tuesdays? I won't volunteer you for EVERY Tuesday as that would be demanding a LOT of you and I don't want to make that kind of presumption ) ... Basically we know for a fact all the original players minus Flak (Enya'ra) and possible Casdegere (Cas) are still in .. worst case scenario that's 5 players even not including Flak and Casdegere, enough to run a campaign... if Cas shows up to the Drow game darkalloy and I will just grin and bear it , if not we shrug our shoulders and continue without Cas as a PC in the Drow game... My concern is if we wait too long to run a Drow game players will start to drift away and vanish.. and even if I can't DM anymore (due to my munchkins at this point, ONLY the munchkins are making me say that ) I'd really hate to see this group break up completely ... Madelaine suggested solardawn make his star wars game an FG game but I think solardawn mentioned he didn't have the time to run an FG game per se... but to keep us busy on the Tuesdays we're not running the dragonlance game interested persons could always do the play by post for darkalloy's game (and possibly play by post for the star wars game if solardawn still has the time to run a play by post? ) ... worst case scenario I've seen groups survive with bi-weekly game sessions. Although I would normally say I'd bite the bullet and even be a player in casdegere's campaign if it meant keeping the group together , I doubt he's interested in all the players in this group being in his campaign ... darkalloy and myself didn't get an invite to his game .... having said that if casdegere bothers to post on this thread (strange he's checking the forums every day and not posting... probaby still doing the silent "PM people behind Andre's back" thing ) I could live with a setup like the following too : - one Tuesday have a Drow game with all the original players (minus Flak who has left) - following Tuesday Casdegere runs his campaign and darkalloy and I are absent from it if that's his preference,which I'm sure it is (challenge casdegere at your own peril ! ) - following Tuesday Drow game - next Tuesday casdegere's game et cetera But I don't see it working out that way... I think casdegere will want to run his own game completely independent of this forum while cherry-picking the players from this group who interest him... Still I say we run the Drow game every other Tuesday at the very least.. |
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Post by Andre on Feb 6, 2011 7:34:55 GMT -5
And I should probably apologize to Flak for the "pedestal" comment too.. not that he'll see this since he's left the group for good but anyways...
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Post by Andre on Feb 6, 2011 9:42:49 GMT -5
and copy and paste of my e-mail to Flak appears here (sent to his personal yahoo e-mail address which he may or may not read.. since he said you can all contact him at his e-mail address earlier I'll reprint it here .. Flak can be reached at xcelsaga@yahoo.com ) : ... in retrospect the commentary about you being " on a pedestal" was probably rather harsh so I should apologize for that... darkalloy has a high opinion of you , something he pointed out to me... and now that I think about it I might have you confused with another player who was a world of warcraft addict... I still stand by the comments however re: you having so much spare time on your hands that you feel I should have "babysat" casdegere for lack of a better word... up and leaving a campaign because you don't like the way things are being run is your right... but I expect players to leave because of the way THEIR character is being treated ... now if the thread where everyone seems to be picking on Sangrias due to his comment to the little boy about how he should go crying back to the corpse of his dead mother bothers you whatifdragonlancedm.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=forumroleplay&action=display&thread=566 Or Za'era's attempt to role play with you here and Gilthanas sic'cing a guy on Sangrias for amorous purposes (which was intended solely for humor more than anything else .. gilthanas the elf prince being pissed at you doesn't have to mean the DM is pissed at you in real life ) whatifdragonlancedm.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=forumroleplay&action=display&thread=564 That's different you at least left for reasons that affect you personally as a player even if I don't personally agree with you leaving for said reasons ... but at least have the guts to come out and say it on the forums instead of simply declaring you don't like the way casdegere is being treated and then vanishing (and if that is the case there's no need to take the RP'ing so personally ! You should be able to deal with RP'ing in such a manner as to not resign over a huff in it in real life if that is indeed the case on your part.. I didn't like it when adam the half devil monk did something similar, and if that's the case here I would find myself similarly impatient with you ) ... a "protest resignation" is your right.. it just seems more than a little bit silly if casdegere really IS the only reason why you left.. little bit drastic don't you think? Having said that I personally don't have a bone to pick with you should you rejoin the group.. which I will admit at this point seems highly unlikely given how quickly you jumped ship but hey ( shrugs shoulders) |
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Post by solardawn on Feb 6, 2011 9:55:02 GMT -5
So, I understand that everyone needs to vent a little, a lot of emotions run high and people want to tell their story and explain their point of view, which I understand.
But I have to say I don't think following him to the fantasy grounds forums and posting it there is the right way to go.
Alright so his gaming style didn't go over well here, and if you don't want to play with him anymore, that's totally fine. You have that right.
But I also think he has the right to move on, if he wants to run his own campaign that's cool with me.
If you wanna complain about him here to your friends that's fine, I just don't think there's any need to search him out in order to continue arguing, that seems really counter-productive to me. We can use that energy to do other stuff together?
I don't mean to sound too judgmental or anything, I just don't think there's any reason for either side to try and prevent the other side from making new friends.
Like Andre said, it's just a game, even in OOC, I really cared about my character too, and I was really sad when I realized I wouldn't get to play her anymore. But its still just a game.
I guess I just hope everyone, and I do mean everyone, even those who don't come to this forum anymore, can move forward and find their own fun. In whatever form that might be.
And what I'd hate to see the most is for everyone to get stuck on this one event and continue to put so much energy into something that can't really give anything in return but more frustration.
I hope that makes sense, and hope I didn't insult anyone, I just want everything to settle down so we can move on forwards.
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... I started the campaign too soon , I realize that now... my munchkins are still small enough to need me now in a way they probably won't years from now...
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