Post by Andre on Jul 6, 2011 11:15:32 GMT -5
Darkalloy (Rin the bird man) was right my bad ! The following quote comes from the WOTC website.. WOTC are the current owners of the D&D game and they publish official type D&D rules on their website so far as I'm concerned this is cannon. The words I put in bold letters in the quote from the website below clarify the question we had about the rules...
To explain the game mechanic a bit further for Draug the werewolf who is new to D&D version 3.0/3.5 rules
..it's not so much immunity to non-silver weapons and more so being able to ignore the first 5 points of damage from non-silver weapons.. if a non-silver weapon does more than 5 points of damage you still take damage you just subtract 5 from that total.. in the case of the draconians shooting arrows at you the draconians were unlucky in that their arrows weren't doing more than 5 points of damage.. if an arrow had struck you for say 8 points of damage, even a non-silver arrow, you would have taken 3 points of damage ... The dwarves didn't have much hope of doing more than 5 points of subdual damage to you anyways in the brawl so I felt free to not resolve the brawl with the dwarves round by round... basically I ruled you could hurt them with subdual damage by beating the crap out of them and they couldn't hurt you 
so the result of the battle was sort of a foregone conclusion ... if you have some hill giant whacking you for subdual damage however that's different - he's probably going to do more than 5 points of non-lethal damage (but you still get to subtract 5 points from that damage first )
Rin I should have read your back-up character over more closely my apologies
... with Draug I gave him the same stats as an afflicted lycanthrope but I gave him the ability to control his shape changes as a "freebie" (bent the rules a bit there to make it easier for Draug so he doesn't have to roll every time to shift into a werewolf or hybrid ) .. would you mind doing the same with your were if you end up running her? That would drop her to ECL +2 so it would give you an extra class level and it would also drop damage resistance to 5/silver I think.. my bad I should have caught that earlier when I looked over the character I think 15/silver damage resistance would be too powerful unless I upped the opposition to REALLY high levels (which means they'd probably waste everyone other than Rin's were when attacking the rest of you ) ..
www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/glossary&term=Glossary_dnd_damagereduction&alpha=
A creature with this special quality (extraordinary or supernatural) ignores damage from most weapons and natural attacks. Wounds heal immediately, or the weapon bounces off harmlessly (in either case, the opponent knows the attack was ineffective). The creature takes normal damage from energy attacks (even nonmagical ones), spells, spell-like abilities, and supernatural abilities. A certain kind of weapon can sometimes damage the creature normally, as noted below.
The entry indicates the amount of damage ignored (usually 5 to 15 points) and the type of weapon that negates the ability. For example, the werewolf's entry reads "damage reduction 10/silver": Each time a foe hits a werewolf with a weapon, the damage dealt by that attack is reduced by 10 points (to a minimum of 0). However, a silvered weapon deals full damage.
Some monsters are vulnerable to piercing, bludgeoning, or slashing damage. For example, the plague spewer has damage reduction 10/slashing. When hit with bludgeoning or piercing weapons, the damage dealt by each attack is reduced by 5 points, but slashing weapons deal full damage.
Some monsters are vulnerable to certain materials, such as alchemical silver, adamantine, or cold-forged iron. Attacks from weapons that are not made of the correct material have their damage reduced, even if the weapon has an enhancement bonus. Examples: the war troll's damage reduction 5/adamantine, the young redcap's damage reduction 5/cold iron, and the splinterwaif's damage reduction 5/silver.
Some monsters are vulnerable to magic weapons. Any weapon with at least a +1 magical enhancement bonus on attack and damage rolls overcomes the damage reduction of these monsters. Such creatures' natural weapons (but not their attacks with weapons) are treated as magic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. For example, the ssvaklor has damage reduction 10/magic and can strike as a magic weapon for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
Some monsters are vulnerable to chaotic-, evil-, good-, or lawful-aligned weapons. When a cleric casts align weapon, affected weapons might gain one or more of these properties, and certain magic weapons have these properties as well. For example, many tanar'ri demons and baatezu devils have damage reduction 10/good, while the prismatic golem has damage reduction 10/evil. A creature with an alignment subtype (chaotic, evil, good, or lawful) can overcome this type of damage reduction with its natural weapons and weapons it wields as if the weapons or natural weapons had an alignment (or alignments) that match the subtype(s) of the creature. An arrow demon, for instance, has the chaotic and evil subtypes, and thus can overcome damage reduction as if its weapons and natural weapons were chaotic-aligned and evil-aligned.
When a damage reduction entry has a dash (--) after the slash, no weapon overcomes the damage reduction.
A few creatures are harmed by more than one kind of weapon. The bonedrinker, for example, has damage reduction 5/silver or good. Either kind of weapon -- silver or good -- overcomes its damage reduction.
A few other creatures require combinations of different types of attacks to overcome their damage reduction. The sorrowsworn demon has damage reduction 10/cold iron and good, meaning that a weapon must be made of cold-forged iron and be good-aligned to overcome the demon's damage reduction. A shadesteel golem has damage reduction 10/adamantine and magic, meaning that only adamantine weapons with at least a +1 enhancement bonus deal full damage to it. A weapon that falls into one category but not the other is of no help in overcoming the creature's damage reduction -- a magic sword or a nonmagic mace is no better at harming a lich than any other weapon.
Source: PHB, DMG, MM, MM3
To explain the game mechanic a bit further for Draug the werewolf who is new to D&D version 3.0/3.5 rules
..it's not so much immunity to non-silver weapons and more so being able to ignore the first 5 points of damage from non-silver weapons.. if a non-silver weapon does more than 5 points of damage you still take damage you just subtract 5 from that total.. in the case of the draconians shooting arrows at you the draconians were unlucky in that their arrows weren't doing more than 5 points of damage.. if an arrow had struck you for say 8 points of damage, even a non-silver arrow, you would have taken 3 points of damage ... The dwarves didn't have much hope of doing more than 5 points of subdual damage to you anyways in the brawl so I felt free to not resolve the brawl with the dwarves round by round... basically I ruled you could hurt them with subdual damage by beating the crap out of them and they couldn't hurt you 
so the result of the battle was sort of a foregone conclusion ... if you have some hill giant whacking you for subdual damage however that's different - he's probably going to do more than 5 points of non-lethal damage (but you still get to subtract 5 points from that damage first ) Rin I should have read your back-up character over more closely my apologies
... with Draug I gave him the same stats as an afflicted lycanthrope but I gave him the ability to control his shape changes as a "freebie" (bent the rules a bit there to make it easier for Draug so he doesn't have to roll every time to shift into a werewolf or hybrid ) .. would you mind doing the same with your were if you end up running her? That would drop her to ECL +2 so it would give you an extra class level and it would also drop damage resistance to 5/silver I think.. my bad I should have caught that earlier when I looked over the character I think 15/silver damage resistance would be too powerful unless I upped the opposition to REALLY high levels (which means they'd probably waste everyone other than Rin's were when attacking the rest of you ) .. www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/glossary&term=Glossary_dnd_damagereduction&alpha=
A creature with this special quality (extraordinary or supernatural) ignores damage from most weapons and natural attacks. Wounds heal immediately, or the weapon bounces off harmlessly (in either case, the opponent knows the attack was ineffective). The creature takes normal damage from energy attacks (even nonmagical ones), spells, spell-like abilities, and supernatural abilities. A certain kind of weapon can sometimes damage the creature normally, as noted below.
The entry indicates the amount of damage ignored (usually 5 to 15 points) and the type of weapon that negates the ability. For example, the werewolf's entry reads "damage reduction 10/silver": Each time a foe hits a werewolf with a weapon, the damage dealt by that attack is reduced by 10 points (to a minimum of 0). However, a silvered weapon deals full damage.
Some monsters are vulnerable to piercing, bludgeoning, or slashing damage. For example, the plague spewer has damage reduction 10/slashing. When hit with bludgeoning or piercing weapons, the damage dealt by each attack is reduced by 5 points, but slashing weapons deal full damage.
Some monsters are vulnerable to certain materials, such as alchemical silver, adamantine, or cold-forged iron. Attacks from weapons that are not made of the correct material have their damage reduced, even if the weapon has an enhancement bonus. Examples: the war troll's damage reduction 5/adamantine, the young redcap's damage reduction 5/cold iron, and the splinterwaif's damage reduction 5/silver.
Some monsters are vulnerable to magic weapons. Any weapon with at least a +1 magical enhancement bonus on attack and damage rolls overcomes the damage reduction of these monsters. Such creatures' natural weapons (but not their attacks with weapons) are treated as magic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. For example, the ssvaklor has damage reduction 10/magic and can strike as a magic weapon for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
Some monsters are vulnerable to chaotic-, evil-, good-, or lawful-aligned weapons. When a cleric casts align weapon, affected weapons might gain one or more of these properties, and certain magic weapons have these properties as well. For example, many tanar'ri demons and baatezu devils have damage reduction 10/good, while the prismatic golem has damage reduction 10/evil. A creature with an alignment subtype (chaotic, evil, good, or lawful) can overcome this type of damage reduction with its natural weapons and weapons it wields as if the weapons or natural weapons had an alignment (or alignments) that match the subtype(s) of the creature. An arrow demon, for instance, has the chaotic and evil subtypes, and thus can overcome damage reduction as if its weapons and natural weapons were chaotic-aligned and evil-aligned.
When a damage reduction entry has a dash (--) after the slash, no weapon overcomes the damage reduction.
A few creatures are harmed by more than one kind of weapon. The bonedrinker, for example, has damage reduction 5/silver or good. Either kind of weapon -- silver or good -- overcomes its damage reduction.
A few other creatures require combinations of different types of attacks to overcome their damage reduction. The sorrowsworn demon has damage reduction 10/cold iron and good, meaning that a weapon must be made of cold-forged iron and be good-aligned to overcome the demon's damage reduction. A shadesteel golem has damage reduction 10/adamantine and magic, meaning that only adamantine weapons with at least a +1 enhancement bonus deal full damage to it. A weapon that falls into one category but not the other is of no help in overcoming the creature's damage reduction -- a magic sword or a nonmagic mace is no better at harming a lich than any other weapon.
Source: PHB, DMG, MM, MM3
... yeah strictly speaking according to the rules you turn evil aligned in were form ,I modded that so DRaug wouldn't have to deal with the headache every time he turns into hybrid or wolf form, helps streamline FG game sessions and let them move along faster 